1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,680 The UFO Story, a public service information program through the courtesy of this radio 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,120 station. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,360 This weekly program will present factual and authentic reports on unidentified flying 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:16,080 objects the world over and will present editorials by men and women from various fields of high 5 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:18,800 standing from around the globe. 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,440 And now, the UFO Story, Bombay reporting. 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,800 After revealing many authentic and official reports to the public via the UFO Story concerning 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:35,320 one of the greatest mysteries of modern times on identified flying objects, it will be quite 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:41,560 an amazing phenomenon this day in age to find there are still people who can say, UFOs? 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:47,320 Ha, no such thing, and not have their fingers crossed when they say it. 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,440 However, upon reporting factual and authentic reports of amazing incidents concerning the 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,040 strange objects that flit about in our skies at fantastic speeds and going through all 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:02,800 kinds of maneuvers and colorful displays, if there is anyone that still says no such 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:08,760 thing, then all I have to say is you can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make that 15 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:09,760 horse drink. 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:15,640 If this type of person does not drink the water, in the sense of the word, it is because 17 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,160 he or she won't, regardless if an object landed right in their backyard. 18 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,040 The number of highly trained intelligent people that are publicly stating that the UFOs are 19 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,040 conclusively real is growing by leaps and bounds. 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:35,240 More important, however, than the UFOs is a factor which has surrounded them since they 21 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:40,080 broke into the news across the world in June of 1947. 22 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:45,360 And that same thing is now beginning to surround everything in our daily lives which it should 23 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,560 not. 24 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:53,400 And that factor is secrecy, a seven letter word that spells anger and more determination 25 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,040 to the serious minded UFO investigative organizations across the nation, across the world for that 26 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,760 matter. 27 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,960 Another very fine investigative group in the United States publishes a monthly magazine 28 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,840 called Flying Saucers, the Magazine of Space Conquest. 29 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,440 Its editor is Ray Palmer, who conducts an unending investigation into the UFO mystery. 30 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,480 Their headquarters are located in Amherst, Wisconsin. 31 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:24,360 Mr. Palmer reports on an incident in the February 1959 issue concerning secrecy, of which I 32 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:30,720 go along with due to the fact that I've run into the same type of closed doors when checking 33 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,800 on an authentic UFO report. 34 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:40,760 Did you know that there was a secret satellite circling the Earth at an altitude of 22,000 35 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,760 miles? 36 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,160 He'll say no, but that's probably just talk and he doesn't even know what he's speaking 37 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,160 about. 38 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,160 Friend, grab a hold. 39 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:54,120 For if the scientist at Cape Canaveral, Florida say it is there, believe me, it's there. 40 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,600 When you yourself can go and view it simply by exercising a little amount of reasonable 41 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,320 calculation, it is there. 42 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:08,320 Ray Palmer states, the first time they saw it, they reasoned that if it were a satellite, 43 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,080 it would come around again and they reserved their judgment until they did. 44 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:18,560 It appeared exactly where it shouldn't have, which can be easily calculated by anyone with 45 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,840 a small amount of astronomical knowledge. 46 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,160 Now, we'll get back to the mystery satellite in a few minutes. 47 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:29,120 Well, let's continue on this secret angle a little longer. 48 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,640 Not too long ago, I outlined a report concerning the disappearance of a jet, its pilot, and 49 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:38,440 Ray Darman, when it was sent to investigate a UFO over the state of Michigan. 50 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,440 Remember? 51 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,600 Well, let's dig a little deeper now into the UFO story. 52 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:49,560 The news that the Navy suspects UFOs are reasonable and responsible for the disappearance of several 53 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,400 of its jets off Florida makes the word secret stand out a little more. 54 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Why should it be kept a secret? 55 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,400 If our jets are being disposed of in some way by something classified as an unidentified 56 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,160 flying object, then I think it's time the American public should be informed of it. 57 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,560 Mr. Palmer brings out a good point. 58 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,680 He wonders that Congress, like the American people, is being kept equally ignorant of 59 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,000 what certainly is an important matter. 60 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,820 Now, it should be determined positively whether or not the Navy has justification for its 61 00:04:23,820 --> 00:04:30,480 suspicion and then it can be done to prevent reoccurrences of what is certainly a tragedy. 62 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:36,640 Now, Palmer goes on to state that, quote, it is more of a blow to saddened parents to 63 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:42,320 be informed their sons are missing and presumed dead than to be informed that the cause may 64 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,080 be the mysterious UFOs. 65 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,080 Unquote. 66 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:52,700 Now, when we are told, even in the hearsay manner, that the Air Force is fearful of disclosing 67 00:04:52,700 --> 00:04:57,800 all it knows about the UFOs because of the great burden of explanation it would have to 68 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,640 face from the public, we're a little more than just angered. 69 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,240 It would seem to me that the Air Force would want to get out and look for an explanation 70 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,480 of the mystery. 71 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:13,080 As Palmer states it, and I agree with him, quote, not by hiding their heads in the sand. 72 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Now, we expect them to get out and look for an explanation and keep us posted day by day 73 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,160 on the progress or by Heaven's way. 74 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,600 The people will put someone on the job that will look. 75 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,600 Unquote. 76 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:30,200 Now, that is from a quotation in the February 1959 issue of the Flying Saucer magazine of 77 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,720 which Mr. Palmer edits. 78 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:38,400 Well, I think it is quite a known fact through recent news releases published nationwide, 79 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,400 not only that the UFOs, but with other phases of the government that our government is shot 80 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:49,840 through with classified secrecy on many things that really should not be classified as such 81 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:52,120 and should be known to the public. 82 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,600 Now, some of our own congressmen have made statements very similar to that. 83 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,960 Unless, of course, it is something that would endanger the security of the United States, 84 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,680 and that's something else. 85 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,960 I'm sorry to repeat that today, even though it is still classified as the free press, 86 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:13,240 many facts that have been released by serious minded organizations investigating the UFO 87 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,520 mystery have been tossed into the wastebasket. 88 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:22,560 But yet, those same newspapers, those same radio stations, and those same TV stations 89 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,960 and other news sources will report to the fullest extent anything released by the government, 90 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,560 especially the Air Force, concerning their alleged investigations of the Flying Saucers. 91 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,560 Why? 92 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,760 Why won't the free press or the newspapers, the radio, the television, and other news 93 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,920 sources hear out the other side of that story? 94 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,080 Let's remember there's always two sides to every story. 95 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,080 Why? 96 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,240 Must it be a one side of the fair? 97 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,880 Only one side of that story? 98 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,640 Well, thanks to such radio stations as this one, right now that you're listening to, you're 99 00:06:53,640 --> 00:07:00,160 getting the true facts behind many authentic and official UFO reports you never knew of 100 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,880 before, and I'm happy to report nearly half of the states in this country, representing 101 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:11,240 a staggering amount of radio stations, are hearing the UFO story as it unfolds the truth, 102 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,000 never before heard. 103 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,880 The present day policy of secrecy may have started out as a necessary item during the 104 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:20,880 war. 105 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,400 The ship ceilings had to be kept secret, and nobody argued against the wisdom of all security 106 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:31,240 regulations, but today this seems to have developed into quite a hideous thing which destroys 107 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,960 all that have fought for through the years. 108 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,320 Everything is becoming top secret, and behind it a galaxy of information that should be 109 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,120 released to the public which is not a security risk to this country. 110 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:49,680 If the UFOs are really from other planets, how will the facts about the UFOs in our 111 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:55,520 skies scare the kids who have been blasting off with butt rogers since way back in 1926, 112 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:56,520 I ask you? 113 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,680 Now, there isn't a boy in America today who doesn't accept the reasonable possibility 114 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,760 that literally millions of other planets in the universe are inhabited by intelligent 115 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:12,000 beings, and that it would be strange indeed if some of them had not already traveled through 116 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000 space in the general direction of the Earth. 117 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,360 The average youngster today seeing a strange object in the sky who kind of looks up and 118 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,440 says to himself, could be a spaceship. 119 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,280 And if it was, he wouldn't run and hide some blaze, he'd run into the field and wait for 120 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,240 its descent, and the men from another world to step out. 121 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,880 He might even pick up a stick and let it to himself, just let him try anything. 122 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,720 But he knows it is likely they will not. 123 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,840 People intelligent enough to travel through space from planet to planet are apt to be 124 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:48,840 quite civilized and hardly looking for a fight. 125 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,280 If Russia utters a war-like threat, it's made known through all the news media of radio, 126 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,840 television and newspaper, but if some fantastic UFO sighting occurred somewhere in the United 127 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,520 States worthy of plenty of news coverage about the only little coverage that would know about 128 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,600 it would be the vicinity in which it occurred. 129 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:13,360 However, I am happy again to report that the UFO story is being read and is being heard 130 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:20,120 by thousands across the country by a newspaper, radio and UFO publications. 131 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:25,400 The radio department of the Aerial Phenomena Investigation Society in LNL was the first 132 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:32,080 organization ever to offer such a program on a nationwide basis, on radio that is, and 133 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,560 it's spreading, I'm glad to say. 134 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:40,680 Since the secrecy angle of the UFOs has been pretty well covered for the time being, I'd 135 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:45,520 like to venture next into an alleged report of a message over shortwave radio from a being 136 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,160 of the planet Jupiter. 137 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:53,760 Now, here's a real mystery that I feel, and I know that you've all along with us, demands 138 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,360 some type of an answer. 139 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:01,920 Now, listen, if you're a ham radio operator and you recall this incident, I would like 140 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,840 to hear from you as soon as possible. 141 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,240 Recently a news item was printed in the paper evidently in the southeastern portion of the 142 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,600 United States, and Ray Palmer, the editor of the Flying Salsa Magazine at Amherst, Wisconsin, 143 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:21,600 received a copy of that article, which was written by Virginia Cruising of the Gazette 144 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:22,600 Farm Editor. 145 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,320 Now, that's all the information that is available regarding that newspaper at this time, and 146 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,400 the release is as follows, quote, 147 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,880 Never underestimate the power of the enemy is a slogan long familiar to us. 148 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,120 For a lot of people in rural and urban areas in southeastern states, that slogan had, 149 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:44,520 ended up meaning after they heard a weird broadcast on shortwave radio on the night of August 150 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:45,720 the 3rd. 151 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,520 The incident almost resulted in the panic resembling the one started by Orson Wells and 152 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,440 his men from Mars. 153 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,920 Nothing has appeared in the newspapers about it except in one column in a Florida paper. 154 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:02,200 An Air Force man from Dayton, who was visiting the local family, told me about it. 155 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,880 Names and places are being withheld for security reasons. 156 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,400 The affair has apparently been hushed by the Federal Communications Commission. 157 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:15,720 On Sunday night, August the 3rd, hand radio operators from Florida to Kentucky heard the 158 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,720 voice of a man on the 75-meter international band. 159 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,400 He said he was Nikoma from the planet Jupiter. 160 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,560 He was broadcasting from a spaceship 50,000 miles from the Earth. 161 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:33,360 He warned Americans that they must stop the hydrogen and atom bomb test because they will 162 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,480 eventually cause the entire solar system to blow up. 163 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,040 It will become so hot. 164 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:44,280 He spoke for two and a half hours in English, German, Norwegian, and the musical gibberish 165 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,800 he said was the language of his home planet. 166 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,560 The Dayton man heard the broadcast and he could testify that it was no amateur job. 167 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:57,920 Some radio operators as well as FCC officials made tape recordings of the voice. 168 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,520 At the end of the performance, Nikoma said it was getting too hot and he would have to 169 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,840 take a spaceship back to Jupiter. 170 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,920 It was the most powerful signal ever picked up in that area of the country. 171 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,440 There was plenty of time during the broadcast for hundreds to listen in as radio operators 172 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:19,280 called in friends and neighbors and phone long distance to relatives in other states. 173 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,280 Unquote. 174 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:21,680 Well, there it is. 175 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:26,560 That's the report as carried in the Gazette, a southeastern United States newspaper and 176 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:29,120 quite a starling item to say the least. 177 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:34,520 To check with the FCC, it was stated that an inquiry by Ray Palmer was the first concerning 178 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:35,680 the alleged broadcast. 179 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:37,640 They didn't seem to know anything about it. 180 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,920 The FCC does not state that there was no such broadcast, but it does limit its origin in 181 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:48,720 a foreign country, possibly a tropical country, and therefore not under its jurisdiction and 182 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,920 in fact impossible to trace. 183 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,560 Due to the fact the broadcast consumed two and a half hours, no doubt many ham radio 184 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:58,520 operators as they are referred to heard it. 185 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,760 There was some no doubt making tape recordings. 186 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,600 Now remember, it was stated it was the most powerful signal ever picked up in that area. 187 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,880 It was not an amateur job. 188 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,080 It's possible this is all a big hoax and nothing to it. 189 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,520 However, if it did occur and somebody did make a tape recording of it or portions of 190 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,680 it, then we have a different light shining on that subject, that of truth. 191 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:25,320 If any ham radio operator hearing this broadcast recalls that incident and tape recorded the 192 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,200 alleged talk, I would appreciate it very much. 193 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,880 If he or she would get in touch with me immediately, you can reach me by addressing your letter 194 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:39,280 to ATLAS, A-P-I-S, that's Aerial Phenomena Investigation Society, only in New York. 195 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,160 Thanks, and I'll be expecting to hear from you. 196 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,280 You've only heard the beginning folks, that's right, only the beginning. 197 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,240 Next week I'm going to give a detailed report concerning a group of airline pilots that 198 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,840 evidently are tired of being pushed around and told by the Air Force officials that they've 199 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,200 been seeing hallucinations or something else. 200 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,640 This report will be very interesting and these pilots are connected with some of the major 201 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,200 airlines in the nation. 202 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,640 Soon, you will hear an interview with Kenneth B. Keating and former Secretary of the Air 203 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,640 Force, Thomas A. Finliter. 204 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:12,560 Any time a UFO investigator reports on findings involving some pretty fantastic UFO reports, 205 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:17,640 he goes out on a limb, but the limb gets stronger when the public slowly but surely begins to 206 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,960 discover some of the many facts behind the mystery of the UFOs. 207 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:28,520 Before that wraps it up for this week, remember now if you have any questions concerning UFOs, 208 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:35,960 send a letter to me, Bob Berry in care of APIS, A-P-I-S, O-L-Y-N, New York. 209 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,400 And if we can answer your question, we'll be mighty happy to do it, believe me. 210 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,480 The UFO story is a public information program presented by the Aerial Phenomena Investigation 211 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:50,640 Society of O-L-Y-N, New York through the cooperation of this radio station. 212 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:55,320 The UFO story will continue at the same time next week. 213 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,320 Bob Berry reporting. 214 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:03,560 The airline and what they call straight line pilots have banded together, all, have seen 215 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,680 unidentified flying objects and they have instructions to report each sighting. 216 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:14,040 But when they do, they're told that they've been having hallucinations, sworn to secrecy, 217 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,840 or told they haven't seen anything at all. 218 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,960 Now maybe it was the stars through the broken clouds, boys still haven't gotten over that 219 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:21,960 one. 220 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:28,040 And if the pilots persist, they are asked if they prefer silence or go into a mental institution 221 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,040 for examination. 222 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,560 All of the 50 pilots are flying out of New York and have banded together. 223 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,240 They have decided to back each other up and are intending to make the whole thing public. 224 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:43,720 Now this particular report was carried supposedly on the Canadian newscast on the evening of 225 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,800 December the 24th, 1958. 226 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,640 Now the name of that radio station involved is not known at present and efforts are being 227 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:55,800 made through space, the organization I just mentioned to you in Florida, that's their 228 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:01,840 SPACE and the organization headed by Mr. Norbit that is, and APAS, to obtain this necessary 229 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,040 information in order that this report can be more closely checked. 230 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,840 Now here is an authentic report concerning two airline pilots. 231 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,880 Now this actually happened and we have definite proof of this through the report and incident 232 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,760 in which they became involved. 233 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,480 The co-pilot of a super constellation in route from New York City to Miami, Florida via the 234 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:27,880 over water airline saw a long illuminated UFO at a position of approximately 200 miles 235 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,280 north northeast of Palm Beach, Florida. 236 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:36,240 The time was 7.35 p.m. and the altitude of the super constellation was 18,000 feet. 237 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,960 A cigar shaped object, and this is a common description of many UFO reports, crossed 238 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:46,240 the path of the airliner at an estimated distance of 5,000 feet in front of the plane. 239 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,720 There was a burning yellow in color with clearly outlined squares which gave off a silver 240 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,640 glow. 241 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,160 The object was traveling from east to west at the time and according to the pilot was 242 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,000 traveling faster than anything that we have in the air today. 243 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,080 When passing in front of the airliner it was on a level course but rapidly climbed upward 244 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,760 and proceeded to the west. 245 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,520 The object was only in view a few seconds and unfortunately for the co-pilot at the time 246 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,160 the pilot was turned around in his seat getting something from his briefcase. 247 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,560 By the time the co-pilot got the pilot's attention back into the night sky the object 248 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:20,560 had already disappeared. 249 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:28,960 As a result of the pilot not seeing the UFO, no service, that's CIRVUS, no service report 250 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,440 was filled out upon landing. 251 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,960 The airplane commander is responsible for filing a report of this nature but since he 252 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:41,360 himself did not see the object naturally no report was filed out for the Air Force report. 253 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:46,200 The co-pilot was with the Air Force during World War II and flew as a Liason pilot and 254 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:51,640 also as a co-pilot on both B-17s and PBYs with the Air Rescue Service. 255 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:57,360 Since that time he has had 7,000 hours of flying time with the major airlines and at 256 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:02,080 the time of the sighting was a co-pilot on the largest commercial passenger carrying 257 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,280 flying out of the Miami International Airport. 258 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:10,600 Now since it is an airline policy not to release these reports to the general public but to 259 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:16,320 file the service report to the Air Force that is named or the airline of which he works 260 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,600 for be withheld from this report. 261 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,960 Now it was impossible for this to have been a missile firing witness from Cape Canaveral 262 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,040 for two reasons. 263 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,560 Those two reasons are as follows. 264 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,600 Number one, the object was traveling from east to west. 265 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,360 The missiles travel to the south, southeast over a narrow corridor. 266 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:39,720 Any miss situation from this course is automatically destroyed, the missile. 267 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,560 It is destroyed in the air as more or less a safety measure. 268 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:49,120 Number two, the object scene was in an area 200 miles north northeast of Palm Beach, Florida 269 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:54,560 which places north of Cape Canaveral and will throw in an extra reason for good measure. 270 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,920 If a firing had been imminent at the Cape the airlines would not have been taking the 271 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,920 straight over water route from New York to Miami. 272 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:07,080 The airline partly over land and partly over water and west of Cape Canaveral would have 273 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,520 been used. 274 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,600 In addition to the sighting report, this same airline pilot reports the following account 275 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:17,800 of the UFO encountered in the air in November of 1952. 276 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,680 At the time it was flying a C-46 between California and New York and the time it approximately 277 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,520 won AM. 278 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,000 Between Puskott and Winslow, Arizona at an altitude of 11,000 feet, the pilot saw what 279 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,880 he first saw was a falling star. 280 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,800 It appeared in the eastern sky which was clear at the time. 281 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,160 It kept getting closer however and increased in size and brilliance. 282 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,040 On pow the object continued coming toward the plane until it seemed that it was going 283 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,920 to collide head on. 284 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,480 Both pilots saw the entire incident very clearly. 285 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,920 He pulled up into a steep climbing turn to the right. 286 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,720 In the middle of the turn the object which the two estimated to be 100 feet in diameter 287 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,480 and growing a brilliant yellow passed directly under the plane. 288 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,200 The pilot came out of the turn on a reverse heading and then watched the object continue 289 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,400 westward until it climbed upward and disappeared among the stars. 290 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,640 The glow lit up the entire passenger compartment of that plane which at the time was in total 291 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:08,640 darkness. 292 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,480 Several crewmen who were in the passenger compartment saw the light at the same time. 293 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,320 The same day the pilot and his crew landed in St. Louis and New York and both places 294 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:22,000 verified the fact that an unidentified object was seen by observatories. 295 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:28,040 AM was picked up on radar speeding across the United States at better than 2,000 miles 296 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,160 an hour. 297 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:36,840 Now the times and the locations given coincide with the sighting of those two pilots. 298 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,880 The airline pilot was quizzed by Norma Gerrity the head of the social phenomena and Celestia 299 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,720 El Nigma that's spaced with headquarters in Coral Gables, Florida and the questions 300 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,080 went as follows. 301 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:52,160 Do you agree with the current policy of some of secrecy on the part of these on those in 302 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,760 charge of investigations of this phenomena for our government? 303 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,760 The answer? 304 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,760 No. 305 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:58,760 Now we're quoting? 306 00:20:58,760 --> 00:20:59,760 No. 307 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,760 I do because I think the people in this country are certainly capable of understanding this. 308 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:09,560 If it is put to them in the right way, just like my own position, I am told by my company 309 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,440 and the government actually indirectly to make reports of any sightings which we have. 310 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,400 We are supposed to make a report on it but that's about all the good it does actually 311 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,960 because that's the last we or anybody else hears about it. 312 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,160 There's a so-called sort of investigation and then they seem to try to explain it away 313 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,840 or something ordinary or try to tell you that you are just seeing things. 314 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,840 No. 315 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,640 I do not agree with the present policy. 316 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:33,640 Unquote. 317 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:39,240 In closing this particular report, it's noteworthy of pointing out once again that the Air Force 318 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:44,440 does not recognize the flying saucers as being something definitely unidentifiable. 319 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,000 They say that there are no such things as flying saucers. 320 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,040 Well let's keep in mind the United States government does not officially recognize the 321 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,640 government of red china. 322 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,360 Or by their own reasoning red china does not exist. 323 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:01,360 Hence even though multitudes of saucer reports continue to come in from all parts of the 324 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:09,840 world every day, they just don't exist because our government doesn't recognize them as such 325 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,680 flying saucers. 326 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,000 A few weeks ago I outlined a report now known by the public in general concerning a mystery 327 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,920 satellite circling the earth at an altitude of 22,000 miles. 328 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,120 Let's take into that one and show you what happened. 329 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:25,880 The hush hush on this report here it is in the complete detailed account including a 330 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,000 network of our jets keeping track of it. 331 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,960 Here's the report thanks to Ray Palmer and his very fine publication Flying Saucers, 332 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,480 the magazine of space conquest of Amherst, Wisconsin. 333 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,840 Shortly after the third sputnik was launched, the world in general watched to see what was 334 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,080 going to be the next move by the Russians in their conquest of space. 335 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,840 It was the opinion of experts that the Russians would try some sensational event concerning 336 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,280 space and satellites. 337 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:53,280 A close watch was maintained but nothing happened as time drifted the American public was informed 338 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,000 that we were keeping pace with the Russians. 339 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,400 Fine, I'm in favor of that 100% I'm sure you are too. 340 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,520 During the summer of 1958 many UFO investigative groups and the public kept their eyes on the 341 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,080 skies watching for the rocket carrier Russia's third satellite to go over at schedule times 342 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,120 during the night. 343 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:14,200 One night a group was keeping a watch for the rocket carrier and its familiar pulsating 344 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,960 light as it reflected the light of the sun during its tumbling motion through space. 345 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,600 However, they missed the sighting and decided to check the sky and attempt to see it and 346 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:22,600 to find it. 347 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,240 While doing so and looking into the southwestern sky, a large number of jets were seen. 348 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,080 Well, now what gives here? 349 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,520 The jets were plainly visible, each with a light. 350 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,600 The roar of jets were very audible and it seemed to be coming from everywhere. 351 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,360 Two jets seemed to be on a collision course. 352 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,080 The group watched intently. 353 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,880 Suddenly they realized a sun type of pattern was being flown by these large group of jets. 354 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:49,360 The big question is, what are 20 or more jets doing in one small locale where never 355 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:55,960 more than three have been observed at any one time before, spatially, at night? 356 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,680 The answer was evident. 357 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,560 At almost the same time when rising out of the southwest came a brilliant white dot, 358 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,600 brighter than the brightest star, even brighter than Venus when it is the evening star. 359 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,280 The brilliance of it dimmed, faded to less than half its original brilliance, then it 360 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,800 started to glow again. 361 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,760 After viewing this and viewing it for a period of 15 to 20 seconds, it was very evident that 362 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,200 this was fluctuating at about twice the rate than the third Russian rocket carrier. 363 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,760 This suggested one definite thing. 364 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,120 Another satellite was in orbit. 365 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:27,960 It floated slowly across the sky, covering the distance from horizon to horizon in a 366 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,080 period of about four and a half minutes, shorter than the seven minutes of splutnik 367 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,080 2. 368 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,120 In the meantime, the jets rolled a fantastic pattern over the sky, moving in the same direction 369 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:43,240 as the fluctuating spot of light in the heavens until both the satellite and the jets disappeared 370 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,240 in the northeast. 371 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,280 Now this object was traveling in the southwest to northeast course. 372 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,960 Was this another Russian splutnik? 373 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,360 And if so, it would reappear the next night, slightly to the west of its present path across 374 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:55,360 the sky. 375 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,760 The group decided to have a look the next night and see if the mystery object would 376 00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:59,760 reappear. 377 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,800 A watch was set up getting in the way at 9 p.m. the next night. 378 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,040 The wait wasn't very long, 45 minutes ticked away and it happened five minutes before that 379 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,160 object appeared. 380 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,600 The same fantastic number of jets appeared in the sky and began the same sort of a pattern 381 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,680 flying as the previous night. 382 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,120 Then the orbiting satellite appeared. 383 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:21,320 No doubt about it, here was a new satellite the world did not know about. 384 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,240 Was it ours or was it the Russians? 385 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,200 Well the fact the group of jets appearing two consecutive nights in the same area and 386 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,840 following the object till it was out of sight, the group answers this particular question. 387 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,600 It was thought that the jets were getting radar fixes on the circling satellite. 388 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,600 Opinion was given by officials of the Flying Sorcerer magazine at Amherst, Wisconsin that 389 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,560 similar jets and similar jet flights were occurring all along the pathway of the satellite from 390 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,240 the Gulf of Mexico to Hudson's Bay. 391 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,640 It seems as though that only need for such activities such as the jets were displaying 392 00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:00,960 each night would be the fact of Russians identify for the new satellite, that this was a Russian 393 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:01,960 satellite. 394 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,760 It was further thought that as soon as the facts were gathered the American public would 395 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,520 be informed of the entire matter. 396 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,600 No such information was forthcoming according to Mr. Palmer's publication. 397 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:21,240 Now if American in origin fly keep the triumph a secret and if Russian what did secret and 398 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,440 secrecy on their part portend? 399 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,880 Palmer started to receive letters from his readers concerning the mystery object. 400 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,400 Their publication started receiving letters from their readers along the same line reporting 401 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,400 the satellite. 402 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,160 The reports came in from Oklahoma to New Jersey. 403 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,560 The time of the observation mentioned by the readers coincides with the sighting of the 404 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,280 Palmer group. 405 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:47,040 Now this new satellite was so easy to observe that it seemed to be just a matter of time 406 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,840 before official announcement would be forthcoming. 407 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,160 Then a release dated November the 23rd, 1958, more than four months after the initial sighting 408 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,760 occurred on the back pages of Aviation Week magazine on the date November the 23rd. 409 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,200 A more complete report appeared in the state of Wisconsin in the city of Milwaukee, the 410 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,240 paper, the Milwaukee Sentinel. 411 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,320 Now here's a portion of the report as it appeared in the Milwaukee paper, Washington November 412 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,320 the 23rd. 413 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:19,440 The WS-117L Century, first U.S. reconnaissance satellite is scheduled to be shot into orbit 414 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,880 December the 15th from Vandenberg Air Force Base, California. 415 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,640 Aviation Week said in an article Sunday. 416 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,400 A follow-up shot may be tried about two weeks later. 417 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,360 It will include a payload of from 400 to 450 pounds including a telescopic camera. 418 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,920 Later versions will include infrared and television type cameras. 419 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,160 Although this is the first IS attempt to view the Earth with a satellite camera, the Soviets 420 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,840 already may have put up a similar satellite. 421 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,800 The Air Force at Cape Canaveral, Florida on September the 24th, 1958 picked up a three-hour 422 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:56,440 long signal from a frequency used by the Soviets but not by the United States indicating a 423 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,600 22,000 mile high orbit. 424 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,600 On quote. 425 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,080 Now there's the report as it stood. 426 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,080 Well, need I say any more? 427 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,080 There it is. 428 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,480 Nately tucked away and hidden very nicely halfway through the article. 429 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,240 The headline indicated the Air Force is planning to fire a reconnaissance satellite but nothing 430 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,360 about the mystery satellite that was picked up at Cape Canaveral, Florida in the headline 431 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,360 that is. 432 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,640 To a newsman and being a news director of radio station WRMNC Arinolien and correspondent 433 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,080 for the Buffalo Evening News, the portion of the news release concerning the signal picked 434 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,320 up at Cape Canaveral, Florida by the Air Force on a frequency used by the Russian with the 435 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,560 object estimated to be 22,000 miles above the Earth would have far overshadowed the 436 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,760 rest of that article. 437 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,720 Well, there it is. 438 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,320 We've got a lot of UFO activity coming up for you and some very interesting articles coming 439 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,320 up next week. 440 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,480 Though I don't miss it, this is going to be real special. 441 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,000 With that wrap set up for this week, friends, the UFO story is a public information program 442 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,200 presented by the Aerial Phenomena Investigation Society in Olean, New York through the cooperation 443 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,880 of this radio station. 444 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,600 The UFO story will continue at the same time next week. 445 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,080 Bob Berry reporting. 446 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,160 The UFO story, a public service information program through the courtesy of this radio 447 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,160 station. 448 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,320 This weekly program will present factual and authentic reports on unidentified flying 449 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,860 objects the world over and will present editorials by men and women from various fields of high 450 00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:19,000 standing from around the globe. 451 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:24,360 And now, the UFO story, Bob Berry reporting. 452 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:29,260 This week's UFO story will no doubt be one of the most talked about sessions in a good 453 00:29:29,260 --> 00:29:30,560 many months to come. 454 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:37,200 And I hope that you, as Americans, will get busy and voice your opinions and request to 455 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,200 your congressman. 456 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,600 What I am about to relay to you, as far as I can see and understand, is taking away a 457 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,520 man's own privilege and his right to express to interested persons what he saw or what 458 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,000 he experienced. 459 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,640 This is not Russia and nobody should be permitted or have the power to go around to tell a man 460 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,760 to clam up or else stand the chance of losing his job. 461 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,920 Well, that's about the bulk of it. 462 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:08,480 Embrace yourself as we go further behind the scenes of the UFO story and Friends the Plot 463 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,480 Thickens. 464 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,520 First of all, let's quickly go back over the UFO report of Captain Peter Killian of the 465 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,200 American Airlines reported to you recently on this program. 466 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,960 Captain Killian of Psyoset Long Island, a pilot who has flown a passenger plane for 15 467 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,560 years, said that three mysterious objects that looked like shining saucers appeared to 468 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:35,120 accompany his plane for a period of 45 minutes on Tuesday night, February the 24th, 1959, 469 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,400 on its nonstop flight from Newark, New Jersey to Detroit. 470 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,840 He also said that the crew of 35 passengers also witnessed the UFOs. 471 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,200 Captain Killian said that he radioed two other American Airlines planes flying into 472 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,640 vicinity and they reported seeing the mysterious objects also. 473 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,840 Our next move is to let you, here, Captain Killian, tell of his own experience in his 474 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,840 own words. 475 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,520 Thanks to the fast-taking of Hugh McPherson, who conducts a very fine record show over 476 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:08,000 radio station WCHS in Charleston, West Virginia, this interview was accomplished. 477 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,240 Mr. McPherson has brought many UFO facts and reports to his listeners for several years 478 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,640 on his nightly record show and is to be commended for his very fine work in this field. 479 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:25,040 Here now is a tape-recorded telephone conversation between Hugh McPherson and Captain Peter Killian. 480 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:33,120 I was on a flight, of course, from Newark, New Jersey to Detroit, nonstop, and the flight 481 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:39,600 was carrying me through Goldsburg, Pennsylvania, through Bradford, Geary, directly across the 482 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,760 lake of Lake Geary to Detroit. 483 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:51,440 My flight was 8,500 feet and I was flying by official flight rules above an overcast. 484 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:58,960 The overcast itself was roughly 5,000 feet and if those of you clouds that was ceiling 485 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:06,000 and visibility were close to unlimited, it was very excellent visibility and no upper clouds at all. 486 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:14,800 Roughly about 1 to 9 while I was having my dinner, like all good clouds do, much in a while. 487 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:28,160 I noticed out on my left window there were three lights out on my left side of the 9 o'clock position. 488 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:35,120 These three lights maintained this relative position for 35 to 40 minutes. 489 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:46,080 Their color was from a yellow to a light orange and they were these three lights from a horizontal position 490 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:57,120 and they represent it or they consume the same look as they felt of the constellation Orion. 491 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,680 The interval was maintained throughout the distance of these three. 492 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:12,240 However, occasionally the third object which was the last one in the line, 493 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,480 he occasionally dropped back somewhat and also gained altitude. 494 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,480 But generally speaking, they maintained the same position. 495 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:31,280 Occasionally also they heated up quite a bit and pulled ahead to almost directly, 496 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:38,720 let's say at 11.30 o'clock to my position and then they would slow down again and drop back to right off my wing tip. 497 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:45,040 And as I say, this went on for 35 to 40 minutes. 498 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:54,000 It shook me up slightly when I first noticed them, but after looking at them for a while, 499 00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:04,560 I sort of got used to the idea that anyhow, the one big thing that struck me very noticeably 500 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,680 was the brilliance and or luminosity of their color. 501 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:18,000 It would go from a very light tint to a very bright, brilliant color and then it would go back to dim again. 502 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:24,800 And during this period, occasionally the light would be extinguished completely 503 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:31,120 and I'd only see two of them and then maybe it would come back again and there'd be three 504 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,880 and maybe the two lights would go out and there'd only be one and occasionally the whole three would go out 505 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,080 and I wouldn't see any. 506 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,760 Could you tell that this is from your plane to these objects? 507 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:48,880 No, I couldn't. It's impossible because I didn't either know their size or their altitude. 508 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:58,000 They were definitely higher than I was, but the same thing would be if a person had a light 509 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,160 in the middle of a dark field at night, it would be impossible for you to know just looking at the light 510 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,320 if this light were 100 feet away from you or a thousand feet. 511 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,920 Because if you don't know the size, it's to give you an idea of this. 512 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,920 Well, Captain, you've been flying for 15 years. You've ever seen anything like this before? 513 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:25,760 No, sir. In all of my period of flying, I have never in my life seen anything even remotely resembling this. 514 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:34,080 15 years of the airlines and also about 13 years other than that commercial plane, total of about 28 years. 515 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,240 How many passengers did you have on the plane? 516 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:44,400 I had 40 passengers and after I first noticed the object, I brought it to the attention of my co-pilot 517 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:52,400 and also my flight engineer and we three sat there. The starduses came up to two starduses 518 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,320 and the five others actually sat there and watched them for quite a while. 519 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,040 And in the meantime, I was mulling over in the back of my mind whether I should tell it to the 520 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:11,200 passengers, but I finally decided to. And before I did, I also told them I only had a cup of 521 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,840 hot tea to drink and something else and there were no lightning bugs and they got sick. 522 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:23,520 And everybody took it very well. As a matter of fact, it was most enjoyable to them. 523 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,560 There was only one passenger who was slightly apprehensive. 524 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,280 As a matter of fact, there were several passengers who wanted me to go over closer, 525 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:37,040 but I thought the discussion was a better part of our and I remained on for it. 526 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:43,680 Absolutely. Well, Captain, have you had any feelings in regards to unidentified flying objects 527 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:52,400 before this? Well, of course, I suppose I have no difference in all the rest of the average American 528 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:58,800 individual that we read about it. And we wonder if the person who excited it was, 529 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:07,200 I'd say, was sober or sane or telling the truth or what. And generally, though, you felt 530 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:13,040 had a feeling like you couldn't discount them internally. And that was generally my feeling. 531 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,040 I thought, well, there must be something to it. That's what I wasn't sure. 532 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,400 Do you think that these could be possibly long to our airports? 533 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,280 These things that you saw? 534 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:33,920 See, in an airplane, I might like to say in an airplane, only has several white lights. One 535 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:40,240 is a landing light which shines straightforward and the other is a white tail light which you can 536 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:45,840 only see when you turn to the rear. So in either case, if it were either the landing light or the 537 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,320 tail light, it would mean that the airship that were in the aircraft would be either flying directly 538 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:56,400 towards me or away from me. And in no event could they stay there for surely for 35 or 40 minutes. 539 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:03,280 That in itself would refute the idea of the Deakin aircraft. 540 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:09,040 Well, another thing, Captain, did you notify any other planes in the vicinity? 541 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:16,960 Yes, I did. When I was over here in Pennsylvania, I called on my company frequency and asked if 542 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,960 there were any other airplanes in the vicinity and there were two. There was one around Solido 543 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:30,240 and another one around, well, around Windsor, Canada. And both of them, when I brought it to 544 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:38,640 their attention, both of them cited the same three bright shining objects. And they all 545 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:45,120 three, I mean the other two also admitted that they were higher than they were. I then called 546 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:54,400 Airway Traffic Control and asked them if they had a flight of any three planes on an airway traffic 547 00:38:54,400 --> 00:39:01,360 clearance and there was none. I also tried to pick them up on my radar set but our radar is 548 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,240 primarily for weather surveillance and that's for airplanes. And could not pick them up. 549 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:11,040 So I didn't get anything on my radar. Well, Captain, have you been contacted by the United 550 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:19,360 States government or anyone in regards to the sightings? Not personally, however, indirectly, 551 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:27,520 I believe that we have a procedure with the airline that when there are unknown sightings of any kind, 552 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:35,440 that we make a report to our company which in turn reports it to the government for immediate 553 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:41,120 dissemination, which I did at that time. I immediately called my company in Detroit 554 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:49,360 and Detroit itself gave it to the government for any unidentified objects of either 555 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:55,440 on the ground or in the sea or in the air. Captain, again, how fast were you traveling? 556 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:02,560 Roughly 280 to 300 miles an hour. I see. Well, I do appreciate devoting your time to our listeners 557 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,720 this morning, Captain. And if you're ever in Charleston, what's the day you do fly to this part of the 558 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:13,760 country? Yes, I occasionally do land there. I've been to Charleston many times and I've always 559 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,400 admired your city very, very much. What do you think about this kind of airport coming out on top 560 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:25,600 of the mountain? Well, again, I have, you have a fine little airport there. It doesn't really 561 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:31,440 accommodate all of the, I'd say it's going to accommodate the larger jet aircraft, but you do 562 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:38,160 have an excellent airport for the smaller airplane. Well, thank you, Captain. And when you're here 563 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,440 in Charleston, please give me a ring and have a bike date with us. Well, it's been a pleasure talking to you. 564 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,480 Thank you, Captain. Not at all, sir. Well, there it is. And our thanks to Hugh McPherson of Radio 565 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:54,560 Station WCHS and Charleston, West Virginia for this very fine interview. First of all, the US 566 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,440 Air Force commented shortly after deciding that probably what the airline pilots saw, as well as 567 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,480 Air Force pilots on the same night, were stars through broken clouds. I wrote to the Air Force 568 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,480 Technical Intelligence Center at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, for an explanation of the 569 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,640 sighting. The original news release stated that, quote, experts at ATIC figured the pilots probably 570 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,040 saw stars through broken clouds, unquote. My letter was referred to the Department of the 571 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,280 Air Force at Washington, D.C. I received a letter from the office of the secretary there dated March 572 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:30,000 the 18th, 1959. It states as follows, quote, your letter on 28th February, 1959, concerning 573 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,200 several February unidentified blind object sightings addressed to Air Technical Intelligence Center, 574 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:40,960 has been referred to this office for reply. The American Airlines sightings of 24th February near 575 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,960 Bradford, Pennsylvania, turned out to be B-47 type aircraft accomplishing night refueling from KC-97 576 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,000 tankers. The American Airlines pilots reported the sighting, confirmed this, and Air Force records 577 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,600 show that the three B-47 type aircraft were in the vicinity of Bradford, Pennsylvania, 578 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,680 on a night refueling operation. The tanker has several groups of lights which at a distance 579 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,400 would appear to be one or more lights. The time duration of a refueling operation varies, 580 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:12,160 can well last over an hour, depending on the type of operation. The KC-97 refueling a B-47 581 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:18,000 will fly at an altitude of approximately 17,000 feet and around 230 knots true. This would account 582 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,480 for the lights being approximately 30 degrees above the American Airlines pilots horizon and 583 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,920 his seeing them for 40 minutes, unquote. More on the Air Force later concerning this sighting later, 584 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,720 but let's stay on this Captain Killian bit just a little longer. Captain Killian was given permission 585 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:37,280 by the Detroit Michigan Headquarters Office of American Airlines to release his report concerning 586 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,840 his sightings. We remember during his interview, we heard just a few moments ago, he states that he 587 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,800 checked with the flight pattern office and they state that there was no flight pattern filed for 588 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,000 that particular area at that time. As a result of this particular news release, radio stations, 589 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,160 newspapers and TV stations, the nation over reported the incident. Killian received many long 590 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,560 distance phone calls, telegrams and letters from all over asking about his sighting. He accepted 591 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,200 a few speaking engagements near his home state to tell of his experience. Sightings continue to be 592 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,680 seen the country over in days and nights to follow the now famous Tuesday, February the 24th sighting 593 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:16,560 of Captain Killian. Then something happened. He was told to cease telling of his experience concerning 594 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:22,160 his sighting of three flying saucers. Thursday, April the 2nd, 1959, the aerial phenomena investigation 595 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:27,920 society in Olyand, New York, received reports from three serious minded UFO investigative groups 596 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:34,320 all reporting the same thing. Captain Killian has hushed up. He won't talk. More on this next week. 597 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,200 Well that wraps it up for this week. If you have any questions concerning unidentified flying 598 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:49,040 objects, send a letter to me. Bob Berry in Carapathos, A-P-I-S, 328 North 6th Street, O-L-E-A-N, 599 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,160 Olyand, New York. And we'll do our best to answer your questions. The UFO story is a public information 600 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,640 program presented by the aerial phenomena investigation society of Olyand, New York through 601 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:04,640 the cooperation of this radio station. The UFO story will continue at the same time next week. 602 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,720 The aerial phenomena investigation society with headquarters in Olyand, New York presents the 603 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:13,520 UFO story, a public service information program through the courtesy of this radio station. 604 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,800 This weekly program will present factual and authentic reports on unidentified flying objects 605 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,040 the world over, and will present editorials by men and women from various fields of 606 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,880 high standing from around the globe. And now, the UFO story, Bob Berry reporting. 607 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,880 Now, let's get down to some pretty serious accounts concerning Captain Peter Killian and the big 608 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:41,280 hush-hush regarding his UFO sighting on Tuesday night, February the 24th of 1959. The aerial 609 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:47,280 phenomena investigation society received official reports from three serious-minded UFO investigative 610 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:53,440 groups on Thursday, April the 2nd, 1959. First of all, a report from a member of the New York 611 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,080 Souser Information Bureau with headquarters in New York City. This report comes from Miss 612 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:03,200 Marianna Best of Brooklyn, New York at State's quote. Suppose you have heard of the silencing of 613 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,160 our American Airlines pilot, Captain Killian. I heard him speak and tell his story at a meeting 614 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,800 of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena Affiliate here in Brooklyn, 615 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,760 March the 12th. Then he was to appear on the keynote program last Friday. Now, at this point, 616 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,800 she is referring to Major Donald E. Keyhole, U.S. Marine Corps retired and the Director of 617 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,800 NYCAP, Washington, D.C. and at a New York Souser Information Bureau membership meeting on Saturday, 618 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:35,200 the 28th of March. Instead, the Air Force visited him to serve notice. He was told not to talk. 619 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,000 Captain Killian canceled his dinner engagement with Major Keyhole. His wife almost in tears 620 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:46,720 did the telephoning cancellation of the engagement. Killian was too upset to talk. If he had continued, 621 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:51,840 it would have been at a price of losing his job with American Airlines. Major Keyhole promised 622 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,160 that a Congressman from Baltimore is going to raise a stinker when Congress and that Captain 623 00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,600 Killian will have his day in court. We'll see. He also reports a great deal of interest in Captain 624 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:07,440 on Capitol Hill in an investigation into the secrecy policy, unquote. She also reported the 625 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,480 same outline for the organization Understanding, Unit Number 14 of Brooklyn, New York, of which 626 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:18,240 she also is a member. The third report of this incident on Captain Killian's hush-up 627 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:22,720 came from Douglas Smape's, the Director of the New York Division Headquarters in Buffalo, New York, 628 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,760 of the Intercontinental Aerial Research Foundation, another very serious minor UFO investigative 629 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:33,200 group. It states, quote, Captain Peter Killian has been requested not to relate his story further. 630 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,720 I think others have been approached also. Major Keyhole ruffled. More later, signed Douglas Smape's, 631 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:43,680 unquote. Well, there it is in a nutshell. The man has been told to shut up or stand a chance of 632 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,400 losing his job. What's behind all this to do anyway? First of all, Captain Killian was given 633 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,600 permission by American Airlines at Detroit to release his report to the reports of reporters of 634 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,480 radio, newspaper, and television, a matter of a few weeks' zooms by and now, according to these 635 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:04,640 three reports from UFO groups, the Air Force has told him to quit and to be quiet. It's not quite 636 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,680 clear as yet whether he was approached directly by the Air Force or whether the order came from 637 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,160 company headquarters. As soon as the complete information is available, we'll get it to you 638 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:19,280 immediately. But regardless, I think it's time that the people of this country get busy, 639 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:25,520 sit down and write their congressman a letter and demand a complete, thorough, and honest 640 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:31,520 investigation into the unidentified flying objects. Let the congressman hear the reports from other 641 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:37,920 sources other than the Air Force. You know, there's two sides to this UFO mystery. The Air Force and 642 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:44,320 the thousands upon thousands that have seen these UFOs. Let the Air Force try to tell some of those 643 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,800 that they've been seeing things or didn't know what they were looking at at the time and that it 644 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,520 was a no-an-object misidentified. Incidentally, I would like to add at this time that the New York 645 00:47:53,520 --> 00:48:00,560 Daily News carried a report on February the 26th of 1959 concerning another UFO sighting, I quote, 646 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:07,360 Copenhagen, February the 25th special. Two Scandinavian airline pilots reported independently 647 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:13,360 today that they had seen square flying saucers last night over Denmark. I quote, man dig that crazy 648 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:20,240 report. Now, what's unusual about this is that their sighting reported independently remember 649 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:26,480 occurred on the very same night as that of Captain Peter Gillian and the other two pilots of American 650 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:32,080 Airlines plus the sightings made by Air Force pilots. Come on you guys, let's get off of that 651 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,040 high stool of secrecy and let us in on the facts. It's the facts we want, not a bunch of running 652 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:43,280 around and trying to avoid the issues. Let's have the facts. I wonder if the Scandinavian pilots 653 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:49,360 have been told to clam up. Staying on the Captain Gillian story for a little while longer, let's 654 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,400 look at the general routine of happenings that occur after a series of UFO sightings that involve a 655 00:48:54,400 --> 00:49:00,400 lot of people the country over. First of all, we have all the sightings of the month of February, 656 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:07,120 1959. Now these sightings were made by competent pilots of commercial airlines as well as competent 657 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:13,040 pilots of the U.S. Air Force plus persons from all walks of life. Now, what does the Air Force have 658 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,840 to say about all of these February sightings? Well, it's their usual pattern and you'll bear 659 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:24,080 me out on this if you've been a constant follower of UFO reports and analysis. It's too 660 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:29,600 debunk the whole thing as a bunch of nothing and make those reporting the sightings look like a bunch 661 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:36,080 of stupid people which in turn would have future effects on persons sightings UFOs and will actually 662 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:42,080 they would have a hesitation making a report for fear of being ridiculed rather a poor system, 663 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:48,720 I think, and so do many others. Let's look at a report from the February, March, 1959 issue of 664 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:55,360 the UFO Investigator. Now this is distributed by the National Investigations Committee on Aerial 665 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:01,520 Phenomena with Major Donald E. Keyhole, U.S. Marine Corps Retard as its director with headquarters 666 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:07,280 in Washington, D.C. The headline in this particular bulletin states quote, Air Force spokesman 667 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:13,760 ridicules UFO witnesses, say some are drunks. Action follows airline pilots reports of UFO 668 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:19,280 formation. In an attempt to discredit six airline crews who reported the UFO formation, 669 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:25,120 an Air Force headquarters spokesman has publicly ridiculed all flying saucer witnesses. 670 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,160 Some were sarcastically labeled as persons who quote, can't remember anything when they 671 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,960 sober up the next day, unquote. The rest implied the official spokesman either were 672 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:41,040 deluded by ordinary objects or were outright liars. This official Air Force statement was 673 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:46,640 in direct answer to an inquiry by the New York Cal Tribune about the sighting of the UFO formation 674 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:53,520 by six American and United Airlines crews on February the 24th, 1959. The Air Force answer 675 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:59,360 appeared in the March 1 edition of the newspaper. Well, first of all, since rigid airline rules 676 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:05,520 prohibit pre-flight drinking, as the Air Force well knows, this was obviously a deliberate slur. 677 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,400 Apparently, the Air Force spokesman hoped by grouping the pilots as drunks to offset the 678 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,920 testimony of these capable observers. At best, the Air Force statement branded the crews 12 pilots 679 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,920 and several flight engineers as incompetent or deluded. Let's check out the United Airline 680 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:28,160 pilots report. Three crews of United Airlines also spotted the mystery objects reported by Captain 681 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:34,880 Kilgill, you know, on Tuesday, February the 24th of 1959. In one case, Captain AD Yates reported 682 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:40,880 the objects were tracked from 840 to 910 p.m. between Lockheave and Pennsylvania and Youngstown, 683 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:46,960 Ohio. This was confirmed by Flight Engineer L. E. Baney. The UFOs were also seen by the crews of 684 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:53,840 United Flight number 937 and 321, both flying west of Newark. While observing the objects, 685 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,640 the crews had discussed them by radio. All the pilots and flight engineers agreed that the lights 686 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:04,240 were on separate vehicles which were holding a formation. At Akron, Ohio, added confirmation 687 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:11,200 came from ground witnesses. Between 9.15 and 9.20 p.m., several UFO reports were logged on the 688 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:17,200 Akron UFO Research Group. All the witnesses described three glowing objects. In Detroit, 689 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:23,520 Lieutenant Colonel Lee B. James, an Army missile expert associated with Werner von Braun in the 690 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:29,280 Army Ordinance Missile Command at Huntsville, said that the objects seen in the air by the 691 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,880 airlines crews were quite possibly from outer space. Quoting him now, he says, 692 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,080 I know they are not from here, said the missile expert, and they are not coming from Russia. 693 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,880 We in this civilization are not that advanced yet, unquote. Colonel James went on to say that if the 694 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,720 crews and passengers really saw what they reported, the objects, quote, would have to come from outer 695 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:58,800 space, a civilization decades ahead of ours, unquote. Well, this is part one of the recent 696 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:04,400 UFO sightings and Air Force reaction. Let's take a look at part two and a complete turnabout by 697 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:12,320 the Air Force by denying they knew of a certain sighting of a TV engineer for WCHS TV in Charleston, 698 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:17,360 West Virginia. This one is a Lulu and someone certainly owes an explanation somewhere. 699 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,680 Thanks to the Daily Mail of Charleston, West Virginia and Hugh McPherson of Radio Station 700 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:29,040 WCHS Charleston for the following report. Now listen closely to the facts. Then listen to the 701 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:34,800 reply sent to me by the Air Force in Washington and you draw your own conclusions, quote, 702 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:41,280 at 4.20 a.m. on February 7, 1959, the strange objects descended from above and hovered for a 703 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,960 few seconds over a car driving along a lonely stretch of U.S. Route 601 somewhere in South 704 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:54,400 Carolina. The driver of the car was Emmett West, 1216 Baines Street, an engineer at WCHS TV in 705 00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,240 Charleston. He related his experience as follows. I was driving along and noticed the head of my 706 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:05,680 car was reflecting in a greenish colored light. Looking up, I saw a large round object descending 707 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:11,840 directly on the car. It appeared to be about 100 feet in diameter. It stopped at about 5,000 feet 708 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:17,040 above me and hovered there for nearly a minute. West stated. He said the object then began to 709 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,000 drift horizontally to the left. I got a wonderful view of it then, he said. It was flat on the 710 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,280 bottom and had a curved top. There was a sort of luminescent band of greenish light surrounding it, 711 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,920 but the center was white. West stopped the car and started to back up to observe the strange 712 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:38,400 object longer. As soon as I started backing up, it left. West stated. It moved horizontally and was 713 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,360 out of sight over the horizon in a matter of seconds. I've never seen anything move so fast. 714 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:49,360 West, who is a ham radio operator and carries a radio transmitter in his car, 715 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,440 attempted to contact other ham stations in the area to confirm his experience. 716 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,800 None could be reached. Upon reaching Bluefield, West Virginia, West contacted the Civil Air 717 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:04,960 Patrol to see if they had any reports. They didn't. Arriving in Charleston several hours later, 718 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:10,480 he discovered that the Air Force had called for him and wanted him to contact them immediately. 719 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,200 He got in touch with the officials at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. 720 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,840 They talked to him for some time. Now, I was informed that the long-distance telephone 721 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:26,240 conversation lasted for a period of 55 minutes. Now, they wanted to know exactly what had happened 722 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:32,560 regarding his sighting. In all, they asked me the same thing three times. West said. I guess 723 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,040 they were trying to see if my story varied, but it didn't. West had some questions for the Air 724 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:43,840 Force, too. Quote, Was my experience unusual? He asked. Not at all. Was the reply. Well, 725 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:49,760 did anyone else report the same thing I did? It's possible, was the answer. Air Force officials 726 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:55,840 would devolve no further information. West is not a person to get excited easily. He has 727 00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,720 flown for 20 years and is not knowing among his friends is a person who believes unexplained 728 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:06,320 things readily. I'd heard about it in the flying objects for years, he stated. Although I didn't 729 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:12,320 deny their existence, I wanted to see for myself. I considered them possible, but not probable. 730 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,240 But now, I'm fairly convinced that there's something to all of these stories that you hear. 731 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:24,000 West stated. What I saw that night had to be controlled, and common sense will tell you whatever 732 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:31,040 it was could not have been anything we know, he said. It couldn't have been a flare. They 733 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,440 don't hover in midair or travel horizontally. I would also rule out balloons. They couldn't 734 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:40,640 possibly attain the speed this object did. West continued by saying, quote, I certainly don't 735 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,800 believe it could have been anything put into the air by the United States or any other country. 736 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,440 His ambition now was to see the inside of one of those objects. Next, let's recheck the letter I 737 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,320 sent to the Air Force regarding west siding and the results of the Air Force reply. That will be 738 00:56:54,320 --> 00:57:01,280 the activity of the UFO story in just a moment. Getting along now with the Emmett West siding, 739 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,160 I was discussing recently. First of all, I'll read the section of my letter to the Air Technical 740 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,480 Intelligence Center at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, state in Ohio, dated February the 28th of 741 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:16,160 1959, quote, the chief engineer of television station WCHS TV Charleston, West Virginia, 742 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,240 was returning from the state of Florida during the week of February the 15th. And while in the 743 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:25,520 state of North Carolina around 4am, a bright UFO came into the area and hovered directly over his 744 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:31,520 car, lining up the area around his automobile, unquote. Now for the reply of the Air Force regarding 745 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:36,720 west siding and his conversation with officials at ATIC and Dayton. The Air Force letter from 746 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:42,480 Washington, DC, dated March the 18th, 1959, states as follows, quote, the Charleston, 747 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:48,160 West Virginia siding during the week of February the 15th has not been reported to the U.S. Air Force. 748 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:53,520 The statement that ATIC officials interviewed anyone concerning this siding is absolutely 749 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:59,840 false, unquote. Well, now what have we here? The only thing offhand that I can think of is the fact 750 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:05,440 that in my letter, I stated the wrong date. The siding occurred on the 7th of February, 751 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,160 and I was under the impression that it was the 15th. That would have given the Air Force the 752 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:15,280 proper grounds to disown the report since it did not occur on February the 15th. Regardless, 753 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,080 I am quite sure that they are enough details that they would know of whom I was referring to 754 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,400 and could have given me the requested information regarding the conversation between ATIC officials 755 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,800 and Mr. West, providing it did take place. There is definitely something in the wind here, 756 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,360 and we're going to dig into this matter a little deeper. Now to get to the correct facts, the dates 757 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,080 and all of the necessary information, and to do this, another letter had to be sent to the Air 758 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:44,000 Force with the correct information. I'll relay the letter to you next week. Well, that wraps it up 759 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,920 for this week. The time is gone once again, and if you have any questions concerning unidentified 760 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,600 flying objects, send a letter to me, Bob Berry, in care of ATLAS.